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Postby The Great Gambini » Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:51 pm

Was i nuts for taking rudi in the 2nd round of a dynasty league?
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Postby Canacuna » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:15 pm

The Great Gambini wrote:Was i nuts for taking rudi in the 2nd round of a dynasty league?


Depends who else was available. Rudi should be good, though.
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Postby Buckychudd » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:33 pm

The Great Gambini wrote:Was i nuts for taking rudi in the 2nd round of a dynasty league?

In a dynasty league Rudi's value should go up a bit......second round sounds a bit high though. But like Canacuna said, depends on who else was availible.....I probably would have taken a top tier WR over him.
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Postby steelyeri » Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:11 pm

Canacuna wrote:Every major sports website I've visited has Garner leaving Oakland as a free agent, so I'd imagine it would be between Justin Fargas and Tyrone Wheatley competing for the carries. I just mentioned Fargas specifically because I have both him and Wheatley on a fantasy team (#4 and #5 RBs).


sorry to dissapoint you cuna but Garner has one more year in his contract. he will make about 4 mil. next year. but i believe that there has been lots of trade talk because wheatley and vargas are more like norv turner's style of running back. and 4 mil is a lot of cash for a back up. I doubt he gets traded though. i personally think garner is a very good running back that can be like a 4 th reciever outta the backfield, and would like to see him have one more good year with the raiders before fargas comes in as our #1 back. but who knows, there will most likely be a rbbc in oaktown in 2004.
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Postby KingGhidra » Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:22 pm

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KingGhidra wrote:That would mean 19-24 RBs better than him.

Off the top of my head.

01. LT
02. Portis
03. Holmes
04. Green
05. Lewis
06. McAllister
07. Alexander
08. James
09. Taylor
10. Barlow
11. D.Davis
12. Henry
13. Williams
14. Faulk
15. S. Davis
16. Barber? (I'm really reaching here)

Okay after this, you don't have much as far as young stud talent, or every down starters. You have a bunch of "gut feeling" types: Thomas Jones, Shipp, Rudi, Dillon, Westbrook, A-Train or an assortment of average RBBC or aging vets.Canacuna dances in thongs to R. Kelly

I'd venture to say Bennett is more talented than the last 6 RBs I just mentioned. Even if you add in 2 breakout rookies that we don't know about yet, that would push Bennett down to 19 at most (the edge of your prediction).

19th overall = #2 RB, which is where I see him; middle of the road #2 and I'd be glad to have him as my #2. I think he's good enough to sneak into the top 15, which would make him one of the best #2s in the league. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Good list....I would add, ahead of Bennet:
Martin - I think he's got one more year in him, with Pennington back should take some of the pressure off him.....his TD total this year was an arbitration, yardage total was decent this year

Those darn "arbitrations". ;-) I'd say it's about reflective of where he is. Jordan gets the goal line calls. I really couldn't see him with more than 5 or 6 TDs. Martin & Bennett both have goal line specialists leeching them. Bennett has more breakaway speed = long TD or three = better than Martin (however, I'm back on the Martin isn't dead bandwagon since he looked really good at the end of the year. Only benefit of living in Jersey really (football wise).

Rudi - Depends on the Dillon situation, but had some amazing games.....might finish about the same as Bennet, but more upside

Dillon - Depends on if he gets out of Cinci and where he ends up, as I recall you were a bit more optimistic on him the last time we argued

About the same level as Bennet:
Shipp - Assuming Emmit will sit down and shut up
A-Train - At least he won't be in an RBBC
Westbrook - RBBC, feel almost identical about him as I do Bennet
Staley - Depends on where he ends up and the situation
Pittman - a bit of a stretch here.....So yeah, 20-25 seems about right.....


The point I was trying to make is.. Right now, all of those guys have question marks around them. None of them are really "studly" right now (except maybe Westbrook). When you have a logjam like that, it's just personal preference etc and I'd prefer Bennett over all(most) those guys (right now).

Shipp-TDs anyone?
A-Train-He just may be in a RBBC in '04. Chicago was interested in acquiring in Staley before the season and I've heard they are still interested in him now. I've also heard rumors they are interested in drafting a RB with their top draft pick.
Westbrook-best of this bunch that's for sure.
Staley-He should perform, but Reid seems to have a really good knack of letting guys go at the end of their rope.
Pittman-Can't get many yards in prison.

Rudi SHOULD be good, but we are basing him off of basically 2-3 games this year. Even William Green did more in 2002. Even if he does better, I'd hope that general consensus has him rated lower than Bennett since he has less of a track record.
Dillon... aging, may have seen better days. Best track record of everyone listed, most wear and tear on the body as well.

One last thing. It's a little anecdote type thing I like to tell myself every now and again (and no it's not "you ARE a special boy!") to keep myself level headed when evaluating players. "More or trendous upside means they are nothing but downside right now."
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Postby M_Zimm_ffc » Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:59 pm

I like Bennett a lot but there is no way i would ever take him as my number two RB. I think he is absolutely in the top 20 in the NFL but not in FF. He does not get TDs. If he gets over 10 TDs in a year that is very good for him. Especially now that Onterrio os there he will lose even more carries inside the 20. I just don't see him being the fantasy producer. If you are talking just NFL I think he could easily put up 1200 yards next year barring injury and that's with Onterrio. If we had no other back I think Bennett would possibly be a top 5 back. But the fact is we do...
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Postby Go Vikes » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:00 am

Was i nuts taking O. Smith third round third pick in Dynasty? By the way, I got two people with me that think onterrio is good. Especially Steelyeri
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Postby The Great Gambini » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:05 am

Go Vikes wrote:Was i nuts taking O. Smith third round third pick in Dynasty? By the way, I got two people with me that think onterrio is good. Especially Steelyeri


Not as nuts as you are for taking Willie Green in the 2nd round, Leftwich in the 4th round, and Reggie Wayne as your number one receiver in the 5th round!
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Postby Gunslinger » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:28 am

The Great Gambini wrote:
Go Vikes wrote:Was i nuts taking O. Smith third round third pick in Dynasty? By the way, I got two people with me that think onterrio is good. Especially Steelyeri


Not as nuts as you are for taking Willie Green in the 2nd round, Leftwich in the 4th round, and Reggie Wayne as your number one receiver in the 5th round!


Ouch :-o
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Postby The Great Gambini » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:51 am

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The Great Gambini wrote:
Go Vikes wrote:Was i nuts taking O. Smith third round third pick in Dynasty? By the way, I got two people with me that think onterrio is good. Especially Steelyeri


Not as nuts as you are for taking Willie Green in the 2nd round, Leftwich in the 4th round, and Reggie Wayne as your number one receiver in the 5th round!


Ouch :-o


Big big ouch...at least he got Portis though.
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