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Postby M_Zimm_ffc » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:53 pm

Canacuna wrote:
badger526 wrote:Now this is only my opinion, but believe me; I know what I'm talking about:

1. Doug Johnson
2. Stacey Mack
3. Kordell Stewart
4. Neil O'Donnel
5. Rodney Peete
6. Emmit Smith
7. Dorsey Levens
8. Ki-Jana Carter
9. Bill Schroeder
10.Chris Doering
11.Bill Gramatica
12.Chris Fuama-am-s-sfi-jfsd-fala


That is the definitive list. My first 12 picks on my cheat sheet are finished! Whoohoo!

I'll just say that I think that Vick is way overrated. Yes, there's potential there, but until he passes for 3,000 yards and rushes for 1,000, there's no way I'd waste a high draft pick for him. Right now he belongs in the fourth with all of the other non-superstuds. Not ranked along with Culpepper and Manning, like I've seen him be drafted.

Here's a box score for his game against the Colts.

6 for 19 passing, 47 yards. 0 TDs, 1 INT.
4 rushes for 30 yards. 1 FUM, 1 FUML. 0 TDs.

That was one week after his game against the Panthers which he put up some good numbers. Every game after Carolina was sub-par at best. Nothing spectacular and non-existant consistancy.

Carolina Stats:

16 for 33 passing, 179 yards. 0 TDs, 1 INT.
14 rushes for 141 yards. 1 FUM, 0 FUML. 1 TD.

I realize he was coming off of an injury, but even his first season as a starter wasn't that impressive, IMO.

I completely agree but living near Atlanta it is very hard to voice my opinion on this... :-°
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Postby KingGhidra » Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:27 pm

A few things about Mr. Vick.

1. He rushed for 585 yards in his 6 games back in 2003.
2. 100 rushing yards usually = 250 passing yards.
3. 2 rushing TDs usually = 3 passing TDs.
4. He finished 3rd in 2002.

It's easy to point out a bad game and say "see this is why he isn't worth it"

Look at this.

Week 01: 211 Yards 2 INTs
Week 12: 229 Yards
Week 14: 228 Yards
Week 16: 146 Yards

Those 4 statistically poor games belong to Peyton Manning.

Everyone has good games, everyone has bad games. This isn't a debate about NFL QB worthiness, it's about statistics which dominate fantasy football. Statistically, Vick is worth as high a pick as Culpepper and Manning.
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Postby 9er Fan » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:15 pm

Holmes
LT
Portis
Green
Lewis
Alexander
McAllister
Ricky
Moss
Edge
Holt
Faulk

Barlow makes this list if Hearst is shipped out of town before the draft. I wouldn't take any QBs until late 3rd round at the earliest (and then only CPepp, Vick and Manning). If Bulger isn't the Rams starter, Holt drops.
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Postby TTTBone » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:35 pm

Strider wrote:i will miss someone but it here goes
1 RANDY MOSS BABY
2 HOlmes
3 Portis
4 LT
5 Deuce McAllister
6 Edge (if he stays healthy)
7 Ricky (he had a rough year)
8 Manning
9 Green (i had to be honest in letting a packer on)
10 J. Lewis

"Moss :-° (cough, cough) :-° definately #1 :-° ... :-° ........... :-°"
Hey, aren't you a little young to be smoking that stuff Strider... stunt your growth yaknow.
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Postby terpfan » Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:52 pm

TTTBone wrote:
Strider wrote:i will miss someone but it here goes
1 RANDY MOSS BABY
2 HOlmes
3 Portis
4 LT
5 Deuce McAllister
6 Edge (if he stays healthy)
7 Ricky (he had a rough year)
8 Manning
9 Green (i had to be honest in letting a packer on)
10 J. Lewis

"Moss :-° (cough, cough) :-° definately #1 :-° ... :-° ........... :-°"
Hey, aren't you a little young to be smoking that stuff Strider... stunt your growth yaknow.

haha yeah just say no to drugs! ;-)
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Postby bearbelly » Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:53 pm

:-o FYI I called that sites 800 number the other day to get my hotel info and they are almost half full already. I guess greed is good!
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Postby KingGeedorah » Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:02 pm

Now that all 12 players have been snapped up in the Slow Mock draft I'm participating in, I'll release my round 1 cheat sheet.

1.01 Priest Holmes
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson
1.03 Ahman Green
1.04 Clinton Portis
1.05 Shaun Alexander
1.06 Deuce McAllister
1.07 Jamal Lewis
1.08 Edgerrin James
1.09 Randy Moss
1.10 Ricky Williams
1.11 Torry Holt
1.12 Michael Vick
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Postby Buckychudd » Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:05 pm

KingGeedorah wrote:Now that all 12 players have been snapped up in the Slow Mock draft I'm participating in, I'll release my round 1 cheat sheet.

1.01 Priest Holmes
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson
1.03 Ahman Green
1.04 Clinton Portis
1.05 Shaun Alexander
1.06 Deuce McAllister
1.07 Jamal Lewis
1.08 Edgerrin James
1.09 Randy Moss
1.10 Ricky Williams
1.11 Torry Holt
1.12 Michael Vick

See, I do disagree with you.....I don't think that any QB belongs in the top 12. ;-)
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Postby KingGeedorah » Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:11 am

Buckychudd wrote:
KingGeedorah wrote:Now that all 12 players have been snapped up in the Slow Mock draft I'm participating in, I'll release my round 1 cheat sheet.

1.01 Priest Holmes
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson
1.03 Ahman Green
1.04 Clinton Portis
1.05 Shaun Alexander
1.06 Deuce McAllister
1.07 Jamal Lewis
1.08 Edgerrin James
1.09 Randy Moss
1.10 Ricky Williams
1.11 Torry Holt
1.12 Michael Vick

See, I do disagree with you.....I don't think that any QB belongs in the top 12. ;-)


A few things.

2002, Gannon and Culpepper were "worth" picks 1.10 & 1.12 respectively.

2003, Culpepper and Manning were "worth" picks 1.10 & 1.11 respectively. Most seasons there are probably 1 or 2 QBs "worth" picking at the end of round 1.

The first round cheat sheet I released isn't exactly where I think they deserve to be. It's a combination of my predictions and where I think they will be drafted. By the time pre-season is in full swing, I expect Vick's value to be in the late first round range. If you don't draft him then, you probably aren't getting him. He may well be worth it and then some if he lives up to the fantasy hype. Personally, I'm hoping his value stays supressed so I can grab him in the 3rd or late 2nd if possible.
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Postby 9er Fan » Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:38 pm

2002, Gannon and Culpepper were "worth" picks 1.10 & 1.12 respectively.

2003, Culpepper and Manning were "worth" picks 1.10 & 1.11 respectively. Most seasons there are probably 1 or 2 QBs "worth" picking at the end of round 1.

Not when guys like Trent Green and Kitna are consistently available in the late rounds.
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