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Postby Shatner8 » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:08 pm

TTTBone wrote:YES - if you picked NFC in the bonus Pick3 :-b


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Postby VHawk15 » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:21 pm

Shatner8 wrote:
TTTBone wrote:YES - if you picked NFC in the bonus Pick3 :-b


That would be me ;-D


And me. ;-)
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Re: Does the Pro Bowl have fantasy relevancy?

Postby Canacuna » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:24 pm

The Lung wrote:
Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:
Derrick Mason? Over TO? Hines Ward? Steve Smith or Santana Moss? Laverneous Coles? I don't think so.


Here are the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards. Touchdowns are listed next.

Holt, Torry (WR-StL) 1696 12
Moss, Randy (WR-Min) 1632 17
Boldin, Anquan (WR-Ari) 1377 8
Johnson, Chad (WR-Cin) 1355 10
Mason, Derrick (WR-Ten) 1303 8
Harrison, Marvin (WR-Ind) 1272 10
Coles, Laveranues (WR-Was) 1204 6
McCardell, Keenan (WR-TB) 1174 8
Ward, Hines (WR-Pit) 1163 10
Jackson, Darrell (WR-Sea) 1137 9
Smith, Steve (WR-Car) 1110 7 1
Moss, Santana (WR-NYJ) 1105 10
Owens, Terrell (WR-SF) 1102 9

Notice that Derrick Mason had 1303 yards and eight touchdowns, as compared to only 1204 yds and 6 TDs for Coles, 1163 yards and 10 TDs for Ward, 1110 yds and 8 TDs (7 receiving, 1 return TD) for Steve Smith, 1105 yds and 10 TDs for Santana Moss, and 1102 yards and 9 TDs for Owens.

Some of the other wide receivers had more touchdown catches than Derrick Mason, but Mason had more receiving yardage than all of the them. Is there a compelling reason to include one of the others over Mason in your top 5, as I have done?

I DON'T THINK SO!!!


<Repeat of what VHawk15 and M_Zimm said>

I don't think you can rank Derrick Mason that high when Steve McNair spreads the ball around so much. Also, Darrell Jackson is good, but I would never want him as my #1 WR going into a season. I'd also rank Anquan Boldin lower, blah, blah, blah. Instead of whining about your list, I'll make my own...

1a. Randy Moss - best WR in the game.
1b. Marvin Harrison - see above.
3. Chad Johnson - looks like he could be a stud.
4. Terrell Owens - proven stud, ranked lower due to lack of knowledge as to where he will wind up.
5. Torry Holt - can he continue to put up the TDs?
6. Hines Ward - aka Mr. Consistancy.
7. Laveranues Coles - played injured this season, will get to play in a real offense next season!
8. Santana Moss - Pennington's favorite target.
9. Steve Smith - looks good in Carolina.
10. Anquan Boldin - made a lot of yardage in garbage time, Arizona's losing ways should continue.
11. Derrick Mason

...There's my opinion...
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Re: Does the Pro Bowl have fantasy relevancy?

Postby KingGhidra » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:33 pm

Canacuna wrote:
<Repeat of what VHawk15 and M_Zimm said>

I don't think you can rank Derrick Mason that high when Steve McNair spreads the ball around so much.

McNair spread the ball around more this year than any other year and Mason had the best fantasy season of his career. Coincidence? No. McNair has passed for more yards, more TDs and more accurately the past 3 years. Mason has been the chief beneficiary (look at his stats the last 3 years).

Also, Darrell Jackson is good, but I would never want him as my #1 WR going into a season. I'd also rank Anquan Boldin lower, blah, blah, blah. Instead of whining about your list, I'll make my own...

1a. Randy Moss - best WR in the game.
1b. Marvin Harrison - see above.
3. Chad Johnson - looks like he could be a stud.
4. Terrell Owens - proven stud, ranked lower due to lack of knowledge as to where he will wind up.
5. Torry Holt - can he continue to put up the TDs?
6. Hines Ward - aka Mr. Consistancy.
7. Laveranues Coles - played injured this season, will get to play in a real offense next season!
8. Santana Moss - Pennington's favorite target.
9. Steve Smith - looks good in Carolina.
10. Anquan Boldin - made a lot of yardage in garbage time, Arizona's losing ways should continue.
11. Derrick Mason

...There's my opinion...


1. Moss
2. Harrison
3. Holt
4. Johnson
5. Owens (depends on where he ends up)
6. Ward
7. Mason
8. Smith
9. Coles
10. Moss II
11. Boston (assuming he gets consistent play at QB)
12. Boldin
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Postby M_Zimm_ffc » Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:35 pm

The only thing that I see that may help Mason's stats next year is the lack of a good RB. George is on his way down and Brown has not proven that he can stand in the NFL so I think they will rely on McNair all the more.
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Re: Does the Pro Bowl have fantasy relevancy?

Postby The Lung » Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:03 pm

Canacuna wrote:
The Lung wrote:
Here are the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards. Touchdowns are listed next.

Holt, Torry (WR-StL) 1696 12
Moss, Randy (WR-Min) 1632 17
Boldin, Anquan (WR-Ari) 1377 8
Johnson, Chad (WR-Cin) 1355 10
Mason, Derrick (WR-Ten) 1303 8
Harrison, Marvin (WR-Ind) 1272 10
Coles, Laveranues (WR-Was) 1204 6
McCardell, Keenan (WR-TB) 1174 8
Ward, Hines (WR-Pit) 1163 10
Jackson, Darrell (WR-Sea) 1137 9
Smith, Steve (WR-Car) 1110 7 1
Moss, Santana (WR-NYJ) 1105 10
Owens, Terrell (WR-SF) 1102 9



<Repeat of what VHawk15 and M_Zimm said>

I don't think you can rank Derrick Mason that high when Steve McNair spreads the ball around so much. Also, Darrell Jackson is good, but I would never want him as my #1 WR going into a season. I'd also rank Anquan Boldin lower, blah, blah, blah. Instead of whining about your list, I'll make my own...

...There's my opinion...


Pay better attention next time. That wasn't my list of how I would rank wide receivers for my draft next year. It was merely a list of the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards, from NFL.com.
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Re: Does the Pro Bowl have fantasy relevancy?

Postby Canacuna » Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:06 pm

The Lung wrote:
Canacuna wrote:
The Lung wrote:
Here are the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards. Touchdowns are listed next.

Holt, Torry (WR-StL) 1696 12
Moss, Randy (WR-Min) 1632 17
Boldin, Anquan (WR-Ari) 1377 8
Johnson, Chad (WR-Cin) 1355 10
Mason, Derrick (WR-Ten) 1303 8
Harrison, Marvin (WR-Ind) 1272 10
Coles, Laveranues (WR-Was) 1204 6
McCardell, Keenan (WR-TB) 1174 8
Ward, Hines (WR-Pit) 1163 10
Jackson, Darrell (WR-Sea) 1137 9
Smith, Steve (WR-Car) 1110 7 1
Moss, Santana (WR-NYJ) 1105 10
Owens, Terrell (WR-SF) 1102 9



<Repeat of what VHawk15 and M_Zimm said>

I don't think you can rank Derrick Mason that high when Steve McNair spreads the ball around so much. Also, Darrell Jackson is good, but I would never want him as my #1 WR going into a season. I'd also rank Anquan Boldin lower, blah, blah, blah. Instead of whining about your list, I'll make my own...

...There's my opinion...


Pay better attention next time. That wasn't my list of how I would rank wide receivers for my draft next year. It was merely a list of the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards, from NFL.com.


Oops, I suck.

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Re: Does the Pro Bowl have fantasy relevancy?

Postby M_Zimm_ffc » Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:43 pm

The Lung wrote:
Canacuna wrote:
The Lung wrote:
Here are the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards. Touchdowns are listed next.

Holt, Torry (WR-StL) 1696 12
Moss, Randy (WR-Min) 1632 17
Boldin, Anquan (WR-Ari) 1377 8
Johnson, Chad (WR-Cin) 1355 10
Mason, Derrick (WR-Ten) 1303 8
Harrison, Marvin (WR-Ind) 1272 10
Coles, Laveranues (WR-Was) 1204 6
McCardell, Keenan (WR-TB) 1174 8
Ward, Hines (WR-Pit) 1163 10
Jackson, Darrell (WR-Sea) 1137 9
Smith, Steve (WR-Car) 1110 7 1
Moss, Santana (WR-NYJ) 1105 10
Owens, Terrell (WR-SF) 1102 9



<Repeat of what VHawk15 and M_Zimm said>

I don't think you can rank Derrick Mason that high when Steve McNair spreads the ball around so much. Also, Darrell Jackson is good, but I would never want him as my #1 WR going into a season. I'd also rank Anquan Boldin lower, blah, blah, blah. Instead of whining about your list, I'll make my own...

...There's my opinion...


Pay better attention next time. That wasn't my list of how I would rank wide receivers for my draft next year. It was merely a list of the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards, from NFL.com.

I know, I was just questioning that you said that Mason was better than those other guys...LOL 'Cana...
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Postby zombiez » Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:08 pm

just to toot Wards horn a little here.....if were talkin one of the best in the game now......the past 2 years....207 receptions......2492 yards.....and 22 touch downs....and to think the QB didnt have time to throw the ball this year :-o .......and not to mention the best smile after getting up from gettin drilled...... :-°
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Re: Does the Pro Bowl have fantasy relevancy?

Postby VHawk15 » Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:14 pm

The Lung wrote:
Canacuna wrote:
The Lung wrote:
Here are the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards. Touchdowns are listed next.

Holt, Torry (WR-StL) 1696 12
Moss, Randy (WR-Min) 1632 17
Boldin, Anquan (WR-Ari) 1377 8
Johnson, Chad (WR-Cin) 1355 10
Mason, Derrick (WR-Ten) 1303 8
Harrison, Marvin (WR-Ind) 1272 10
Coles, Laveranues (WR-Was) 1204 6
McCardell, Keenan (WR-TB) 1174 8
Ward, Hines (WR-Pit) 1163 10
Jackson, Darrell (WR-Sea) 1137 9
Smith, Steve (WR-Car) 1110 7 1
Moss, Santana (WR-NYJ) 1105 10
Owens, Terrell (WR-SF) 1102 9



<Repeat of what VHawk15 and M_Zimm said>

I don't think you can rank Derrick Mason that high when Steve McNair spreads the ball around so much. Also, Darrell Jackson is good, but I would never want him as my #1 WR going into a season. I'd also rank Anquan Boldin lower, blah, blah, blah. Instead of whining about your list, I'll make my own...

...There's my opinion...


Pay better attention next time. That wasn't my list of how I would rank wide receivers for my draft next year. It was merely a list of the top 13 receivers of 2003, in order of receiving yards, from NFL.com.


But you still made it very clear earlier that Mason was a top 5 WR.
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