Jamal Lewis Indicted on Federal Drug Charges? !!!

[fntsyrookie]

The feds say he never bought any coke, just talked about it on a cell phone and at a meeting with an informant.

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And be careful with "those thoughts".
Apparently thoughts are now enough for a federal indictment.

Got your back,
~Wease

I agree with Weasel here. We're getting into scary times when a man can be charged with a thought. If this is the case I can't see how it will stand in court.

[stonecoldbev]

O.J., Micheal Irvin, Ray Lewis, Mark Chmura, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips, etc., etc., etc.; They all have fame, power, and most importantly, money. Jamal Lewis will get off. Carruth is an anomoly, and it's not just athletes, it's celebrities and people with money in general. Look at all these punk*ss CEOs who bilk millions from their companies and the working stiffs yet get off with a slap on the wrist. Our legal system is all about money. Those who have it, skate. Those who don't do time.

[moochman]

I would be shocked if it turns into anything more than the feds trying to squeeze info from Lewis. If they wanted him, they would've acted on it sooned. It doesn't sound like Jamal was too discrete about it. ESPN said he was trying to help a friend with a deal. Awww??? Where were you 4 years ago????
It is nice to see that if you are rich and/or famous at least they won't invoke the Patriot act on you. Otherwise we would just hear of Lewis being a no-show at camp and never being heard from again. But as long as it saves us from terrorism...wait isn't kidnapping terrorism?

[Gunslinger]

Solution for Baltimore: trade for William Green. With his experience in both stabbings and drugs the Ravens wouldn't miss a beat.

Ooh harsh. You're a bad bad man Gunslinger.

Who, meeeee?!?

[awwchrist]

O.J., Micheal Irvin, Ray Lewis, Mark Chmura, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips, etc., etc., etc.; They all have fame, power, and most importantly, money. Jamal Lewis will get off. Carruth is an anomoly, and it's not just athletes, it's celebrities and people with money in general. Look at all these punk*ss CEOs who bilk millions from their companies and the working stiffs yet get off with a slap on the wrist. Our legal system is all about money. Those who have it, skate. Those who don't do time.

Dude...

what in the hell are you talking about? What does Irvin, Chumura, Carruth, and Phillips have ANTYTHING to do with this discussion, much less whatever point you're trying to make?

Irvin couldn't keep his nose off of mirrors, Chumura couldnt keep his hands off of 13 year olds, Carruth couldnt keep his finger off the trigger, and Phillips was plain lazy. Asides from Irvin, none of them had a stellar football career anyhow, so where's the conviction of them being able to skate from their responsibilities?

God I just have no clue what you ment.

[awwchrist]

Awww??? Where were you 4 years ago????

Between this and drafting Ken Hamlin in the mock rookie draft last season for the seahawks, I'm willing to give you all lottery numbers for a buck a piece.

I'll set up a paypal acct soon.

[TTTBone]

Some thoughts...
I wouldn't underplay the Feds case simply because it took four years for an indictment. This is a part of a much larger investigation, and Jamal was not the initial target of the investigation. Four years is not unusual in Federal investigations, the Feds are more than patient in the building of their cases.
This is not a "thought crime", this is a conspiracy charge. The Feds submit that Jamal didn't only think about conspiring to buy and distribute cocaine (which is perfectly legal), but that he actively participated in an attempt to do so, even if the deal did not go through.
As far as him getting off, I wouldn't be so sure. This is a Federal case, and the Feds have far more power and money than any lawyers Jamal could possibly afford.
An early prediction, not yet knowing all the facts (as if we ever will):
Ultimately, I think he makes a deal, gets the proverbial slap on the wrist (whatever that may be in this case), but misses significant playing time next year.

[ScreamingWeasel]

Call me crazy, but when the police or the F.B.I. actually catches someone in posession of drugs, that's a crime. And that person should go to jail.

Thinking about possibly maybe doing a crime someday if you could and if maybe everything works out - calling that "conspiracy" is just another way of saying "we suspect this guy of wanting to do something bad but we didn't really do our job and we don't really have good evidence and we can't win in court so we'll just charge him wih this".

It's just one step closer to the day when the Brain Police arrest you for "improper thoughts" and you find yourself held in a detention camp somewhere without charges.
Oh. Wait. We're already doing that.

Speaking to a business group in Miami, Rumsfeld called the continued detention of the roughly 650 Guantanamo prisoners without charges or access to lawyers a "security necessity, and I might add it is also just plain common sense."

"I recognise that in our society the idea of detaining people without lawyers seems unusual, detaining people without trials seems unusual", Rumsfeld said on Friday.

The prisoners have been held for as long as two years.
Human rights groups have criticised their indefinite detention, the unwillingness to classify them as POWs, and the rules established for military trials of some of the prisoners.

[moochman]

Weasey that is exactly what I wanted to say.
My understanding is that they talked about it on 2 seperate occassions, asking about how much could be supplied but never asked about buying cocaine or how much is would cost. An informant contacted Lewis on his cell phoone to discuss selling the coke. So if I talked about coke with an undercover agent but never discuss purchasing I don't think that alone would be enough to bring charges. But if an informant, someone who is talking to save their own hidel, fingers Lewis and calls him to discuss selling then you can indict. I think the key words are: informant-that establishes his motive, freedom. And selling, it would be different if they said lewis talked about buying. This is what happens when paranoia is used to give unreasonable powers to a branch of government. We panic and give away our rights, as demonstrated by the War on series: the war on drugs and terrorism. In both cases we are guilty until proven innocent. Wake up Lemmings, you may be next.

[ScreamingWeasel]

Weasey that is exactly what I wanted to say.

Good for you, mooch. Good for you.

This has strayed from strictly Jamal Lewis somewhat - as these threads tend to do - but my 2 cents?

The day we suspend certain civil liberties and rights, guaranteed under the constitution, for WHATEVER reason, is the day we stop being "America". The America that I love. The greatest experiment in personal freedom and liberty the world has ever seen.

Apparently, there are some people in Washington right now that disagree with this.
These are the same sort of people that put Japanese-Americans in concentration camps in 1942. Then "appologized" 50-years later. After they'd lost businesses, homes, lost everything.

When it becomes "unpopular" or even "dangerous" to "dissent" - it's time to take our country back.