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Postby ajgnydc722 » Fri May 14, 2004 6:50 pm

I was wondering if anyone knew of any good 1-15 or 1-20 rankings or more. I'd like to see what the concensus pick for the first and second round is. If you could post a link it would be great, or post your own rankings too if you want. Thanks.
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Postby Football Newbie » Fri May 14, 2004 6:55 pm

look through this forum for the FFC GM concensus Thread. It has the cafe's concensus on the top players.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Fri May 14, 2004 7:00 pm

I have read the individual cheat sheets for each position but was wondering if there were any for the top 20 or more overall players no matter what position.
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Postby aussieboy » Fri May 14, 2004 11:23 pm

I recently posted ESPNs top 200. Even though it's not a great rankings sheet, it's something. Check it out.
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Postby jeru » Sat May 15, 2004 12:44 am

Here is a good estimate of how the first 2 rounds would go in most drafts with fairly knowledgable owners in them.

1.1 Tomlinson
1.2 Holmes
1.3 Portis
1.4 A.Green
1.5 Alexander
1.6 McAllister
1.7 Lewis
1.8 James
1.9 Williams
1.10 Moss
1.11 Manning
1.12 Faulk

2.1 Harrison
2.2 Taylor
2.3 Barlow
2.4 S.Davis
2.5 Holt
2.6 Culpepper
2.7 D.Davis
2.8 Rudi Johnson
2.9 Vick
2.10 Henry
2.11 Dillon
2.12 Owens

Personally, I think the elite QBs, especially Vick (I would probably rather have Hasselbeck and McNabb over him) are going way too high, but that's how I'd expect a typical draft to go down.
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Postby Play Maker » Sat May 15, 2004 1:08 am

Heres what I think the first two rounds of a draft would go, with solid owners.

1. P. Holmes
2. L. Tomlinson
3. C. Portis
4. D. McAllister
5. A. Green
6. J. Lewis
7. R. Williams
8. E. James
9. S. Alexander
10. P. Manning
11. M. Faulk
12. F. Taylor

2nd Round

13. R. Moss
14. T. Holt
15. M. Harrison
16. S. Davis
17. R. Johnson
18. D. Davis
19. D. Culpepper
20. T. Owens
21. M. Vick
22. K. Barlow
23. T. Henry
24. C. Dillion

Mcnabb or Mcnair are a possible into sneakin into round 2.
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Postby KingGhidra » Sat May 15, 2004 1:57 am

I'll chip in with my first two rounds.

Round One

01: Priest Holmes
02: Ahman Green
03: Clinton Portis
04: LaDainian Tomlinson
05: Shaun Alexander
06: Deuce McAllister
07: Edgerrin James
08: Jamal Lewis
09: Randy Moss
10: Fred Taylor
11: Ricky Williams
12: Domanick Davis

Round Two

12: Travis Henry
11: Marshall Faulk
10: Daunte Culpepper
09: Peyton Manning
08: Marvin Harrison
07: Michael Vick
06: Torry Holt
05: Kevan Barlow
04: Stephen Davis
03: Rudi Johnson
02: Tiki Barber
01: Steve McNair
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Postby The Guru » Sat May 15, 2004 2:19 am

How can some of you have Barlow and Fred Taylor ahead of Stephen Davis? One of you even have D. Davis ahead of Stephen Davis, which is crazy.

Ricky Williams seems too low on some also.
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Postby jeru » Sat May 15, 2004 2:29 am

The Guru wrote:How can some of you have Barlow ahead of Stephen Davis?

Ricky Williams seems too low on some also.


Because Davis is old and seems to miss time with injuries every season. Plus, he has DeShaun Foster, who is more than capable of doing the job pushing him, and there's the possibility of it degenerating into RBBC, or worse Foster taking the job over. Barlow has no legit competition for his job, making him probably a safer pick, which is why many people would take Barlow over Davis. I agree that because of the teams and the lines, Barlow with the full workload on the 49ers has a lower upside than Davis with a full workload on the Panthers. However, it is fairly unlikely that Foster won't be more of a factor than last year.

As far as Ricky Williams, I see him as clearly being inferior to the big 7 stud backs (LT, Holmes, Portis, Ahman, Alexander, Deuce, Lewis). It's pretty much a wash between him and Edge IMO. The reason people are down on him is
1. Miami's terrible o-line and it doesn't look to be radically improved.
2. Lack of a legitimate QB to take the pressure off the run (many are skeptical that Feely is the answer, and Boston could be as much of a problem as a help).
3. Dave Wannstedt is still the head coach, and has the propensity to call games poorly, hurting his fantasy stats, and just generally bungle everything.
4. Ridiculously heavy workload the past 2 years could catch up to him. It's possible some of the 3.5 ypc last year is a result of an Eddie George-type decline from overuse as opposed to the o-line, QB and Wannstedt being totally to blame.

The 7 RBs most people take ahead of Ricky have better offensive lines to run behind, less incompetent head coaches, and good QBs (except possible the SD and BAL situations).
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Postby Guttpuppy » Sat May 15, 2004 2:30 am

I'm not gonna nitpick over 2nd tier RBs here but I've been saying it since he was traded.Portis is not top3 material.

He could break Top5 with a good preseason and that's pushing it,lots of stuff going on with his situation but it seems that some aren't seeing this,same guys that have Boldin in their Top10 WRs.
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