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Postby FF Newbie » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:18 am

Personally, I wouldn't hesitate AT ALL taking C-Pep at 2.12. He usually goes before that. Some people just don't realize how valuable C-Pep is. He equalled manning last year in 2-3 fewer games. The point difference between him and even another TOP QB like Hass is huge. I'd be stoked about a team with LT, C-Pep and Gonzo in a 12-team league.
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Postby Buckychudd » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:44 am

Really in this situation you have to worry less about who has been taken, and more about who will be taken. You know your opponents history better than I do, but make some projections. How many QBs, RBs, WRs, TEs do you think wil be taken between pick 3.1 and 4.12?

Picking first or last is generally hardest.....since it's more difficult to predict who is going to be availible at your next pick.

Are your opponents RB crazy, will some of them take 3 RBs in the first 4 rounds? It might be 11 RBs, 7 WRs, 3 QBs, 1 TE. In which case you better grab a RB while you can.

Do you think a run on WRs will happen? It might be 14 WRs, 4 RBs, 3 QBs, 1 TE. Don't miss out on those WRs.....

Will they take a balanced approach? It might be 9 WRs, 5 RBs, 5 QBs, 3 TEs. Hmmm, taking C-Pepp and Gonzo is sounding even better.


Anyhow.....long answer to a short question.

In the end, I'd most likely end up taking C-Pepp & Gonzo..... Newbie is right LT, Gonzo, C-Pepp sounds very tempting.
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Postby CC » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:57 am

This is why I hate drafting with the 1st or 2nd pick in a large league, for someone who is a strong supporter of the 2 RB strategy (unless you can get Harrison or TO w/ a stud back) this is a nightmare. Stephen Davis is going to fall off, Westbrook is unproven and an injury risk, and if you take 2 players from other positions (C-Pepp and Gonzo) you have pretty much killed your chances of having solid depth.

In this situation I would probably take Cully and Gonzo, but let me tell you this, I wouldn't be happy about it.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:01 pm

Buckychudd wrote:In the end, I'd most likely end up taking C-Pepp & Gonzo..... Newbie is right LT, Gonzo, C-Pepp sounds very tempting.


I agree that on the surface it looks interesting - like I said earlier: you get 3 #1s at different positions. The problem with that scenario comes when you are looking for a #2 RB and the best available is TJ Ducket and the best WR available is A. Boldin. :-o


I do like this scenario though. I think you guys are right. Take your chances on finding those sleeper RBs later in the draft. Guys like Duckett, Griffin, TJones, Cmart, and Garner will probably still be available at 4.12 or later. None should be considered #2 RBs, but having the top RB, QB, and TE should make up for it.
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Postby CC » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:06 pm

Sorry Cornbread, but as much as I hate him, Anquan Boldin isn't lasting until the last pick in the 4th round.
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Postby Buckychudd » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:16 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:I do like this scenario though. I think you guys are right. Take your chances on finding those sleeper RBs later in the draft. Guys like Duckett, Griffin, TJones, Cmart, and Garner will probably still be available at 4.12 or later. None should be considered #2 RBs, but having the top RB, QB, and TE should make up for it.


Which leads to the next question.....

You picked up LT, Gonzo, and C-Pepp in the first 3 rounds. For picks 4.12 & 5.1 do you take 2 WR and risk holding off untill pick 6.12 to get that #2 RB???

In a league that starts 3 WR, I would argue this is a distinct possibility (opportunity?). I don't think I would advise it in a league with 2 WRs though.

Think about it.....by this time everyone else has two starting RBs. How many people are going to hold off grabbing that #3 RB to get some starters instead?

Probably too risky to pull off, but something to consider.....
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Postby KingGhidra » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:23 pm

Buckychudd wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:I do like this scenario though. I think you guys are right. Take your chances on finding those sleeper RBs later in the draft. Guys like Duckett, Griffin, TJones, Cmart, and Garner will probably still be available at 4.12 or later. None should be considered #2 RBs, but having the top RB, QB, and TE should make up for it.


Which leads to the next question.....

You picked up LT, Gonzo, and C-Pepp in the first 3 rounds. For picks 4.12 & 5.1 do you take 2 WR and risk holding off untill pick 6.12 to get that #2 RB???

In a league that starts 3 WR, I would argue this is a distinct possibility (opportunity?). I don't think I would advise it in a league with 2 WRs though.

Think about it.....by this time everyone else has two starting RBs. How many people are going to hold off grabbing that #3 RB to get some starters instead?

Probably too risky to pull off, but something to consider.....


Everything you and others have said lead me to KG's golden rule of drafting strategy. Be flexible. The thought of going RB QB TE WR WR may not be something you'd want to normally do, but if it's your best option, it's what you have to do. I'm always one of the people shooting down the 2RBs in 2 rounds theory, but if things fall a certain way, I'm ready to pick up 3 RBs in 5 rounds if need be.
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Postby CC » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:29 pm

Yea, I agree with KG you have to be flexible with your draft strategy. I think it's important to have 2 good RBs but the only backs I would take in the 2nd are Taylor, Faulk, Henry, DD, and Barlow. If all those guys are gone by the time my 2nd round pick comes around, hopefully I'm lucky enough to get a steal in Harrison.
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Postby FF Newbie » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:26 am

I also agree with KG. I have tiers of players I rank basically together regardless of position. If all of the <insert position> from the highest tier with players still available are all gone, I'll just take a player from another position in that same tier rather than reaching into the next tier to choose another <insert position>.

In fact, the longer I'm at this, the more I lean towards taking one stud at each position (if that works out) that you know will be a sure-fire starter every week rather than buidling "depth," having to decide who to start each week, and leaving a quality player on the bench at one position while you start a crappy player at another. It's all about consistently scoring the most points, guys. It doesn't matter what % of your points each week come from your #2 running back.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:31 am

This isnt a situation where people arent being flexible or need general draft advice.

Initially I started this thread to show that there could potentially be a large value "hole" at the end of the 2nd rd, and to get some opinions of what to do.

The funny thing is that after 4 pages I would guess that less than half the people who posted on this thread have a clue about what I am trying to explain. This isnt something with an easy answer, and it could become a reality in many leagues. As of now, the best strategy would be to come out of the first 3 rds with a RB, QB, and TE - not to mention the fact that your #1WR and #2RB are gonna be extremely weak.

The whole point of this was to show a very possible situation where the drafter could fall into a value gap and the potential consequences. Not about draft advice.

Sorry - rant ended.
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