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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:06 pm

awwchrist wrote:This thread is a freakin zombie.

DIE ZOMBIE THREAD DIE.


why?

we're still having a good debate.
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Postby CC » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:07 pm

He has a point, we've discussed pretty much everything there is to be discussed about these two RBs.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:13 pm

Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:He has a point, we've discussed pretty much everything there is to be discussed about these two RBs.


Not really - we could discuss which one has the hotter honey.

What about jearseys - will the color schemes be a factor?

OOOOh - what about weather differences between WAS, SEA, and DEN? I bet thats a factor too.

I think Portis should be better because he listens to better music. ;-D
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Postby KingGhidra » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:17 pm

Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:
bagobonez wrote:The people who hate Shaun Alexander have only ONE argument.
"He only had 1,100 rushing yards in 2002!"


The people who hate Shaun Alexander have this reason. A look back at Alexander's infamous 2002 season.

Week 1 - 36 rush yards, 36 receiving yards, 1 TD = 12 points
Week 2 - 37 rush yards, 46 receiving yards = 7 points
Week 3 - 37 rush yards, 8 receiving yards = 3 points
Week 4 - 139 rush yards, 92 receiving yards, 5 TDs = 52 points
Week 5 - 96 rush yards, 25 receiving yards, 1 TD = 17 points
Week 6 - 30 rush yards, 16 receiving yards = 4 points
Week 7 - 58 rush yards, 38 receiving yards, 2 TD = 20 points
Week 8 - 67 rush yards, 48 receiving yards = 11 points
Week 9 - 42 rush yards, 2 receiving yards, 2 TD = 16 points
Week 10 - 18 rush yards, 23 receiving yards = 3 points
Week 11 - 145 rush yards, 6 receiving yards, 2 TDs = 26 points
Week 12 - 74 rush yards, 77 receiving yards = 14 points
Week 13 - 123 rush yards, 8 receiving yards = 12 points
Week 14 - 127 rush yards, 15 receiving yards, 2 TDs = 25 points
Week 15 - 79 rush yards, 6 receiving yards, 2 TDs = 19 points
Week 16 - 67 rush yards, 14 receiving yards, 1 TD = 14 points

So over the course of this season, Alexander only equalled or bettered Portis' career average of 22.5 ppg 3 TIMES! The chance of another dud season like this is why I'll pass on Alexander, not only with the 4th pick, or the 5th pick, but the 6th pick as well.


2001 isn't as great as it looked on paper either.

I'll ignore weeks 1,2 and 14 when Ricky Watters was the starter.

Week 3: 10 carries, 18 yards, 66 receiving 1TD
Week 4: 31 carries, 176 yards, 15 receiving 2TD
Week 5: 33 carries, 142 yards, 24 receiving 2TD
Week 7: 23 carries, 87 yards, 9 receiving 0TD
Week 8: 13 carries, 60 yards, 42 receiving 1TD
Week 9: 35 carries, 266 yards, 7 receiving 3TD
Week 10: 25 carries, 93 yards, 15 receiving 1TD
Week 11: 13 carries, 43 yards, 62 receiving 1TD
Week 12: 29 carries, 87 yards, 14 receiving 1TD
Week 13: 12 carries, 28 yards, 4 receiving 0TD
Week 15: 28 carries, 96 yards, 36 receiving 2TD
Week 16: 23 carries, 59, 18 receiving 0TD
Week 17: 20 carries, 127, 31 receiving 1TD

2001/2002 is where SA gets his reputation as being inconsistent. He has a lot of games that are poor as far as rushing is concerned, but are covered up by a very high rate of TDs. To his credit, he seemed improved in 2003 when Seattle overall was better.

2004 might be his last season in Seattle and I think I can understand why there are always rumors around the team looking to deal him. They can get just about any above average running back to come in and put up the rushing stats he does. They aren't really spectactular. All the really good young RBs, seem to start off in the 4.5 YPC range, have some really good seasons then eventually sink bank down to 4.0. SA seems to have topped off at 4.5 instead of improving from there. This is his contract year, and they aren't going to shell out big money for a guy who the organization might perceive as a glorified goal-line back.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:21 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I am not using his injuries as a big part of my argument but they must be considered.

Portis is not really a run between the tackles kind of back. And, as good an open-field runner as he is, you have to admit that sometimes he guesses wrong and gets creamed in an open field tackle. If you watched his games or even Sportscenter you have seen this. He has also not impressed me with his ability to play with pain.

As far as SA's consistency goes PLEASE stop bringing up 2002, or at least give him some credit for what he did last year. And if you are going to keep bringing up his 5 TD 240 game then at least try to be fair and mention Portis' 5 TD 245 game last year and how much that skewed Portis' numbers.

Also no Portis supporter has commented on my analysis of the Skins O-line and how thin it is.
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Postby CC » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:22 pm

In 2002, the Seahawks were going to give Maurice Morris some starts due to Alexander's ineffectiveness, I don't see them shelling out a lot of money to Alexander, when they can use Mo Morris or Kerry Carter and get the job done almost as well, if not as well, as they got it done with Alexander.
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Postby KingGhidra » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:28 pm

awwchrist wrote:This thread is a freakin zombie.

DIE ZOMBIE THREAD DIE.


You have to shoot it right between the eyes.
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Postby bagobonez » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:55 pm

Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:In 2002, the Seahawks were going to give Maurice Morris some starts due to Alexander's ineffectiveness, I don't see them shelling out a lot of money to Alexander, when they can use Mo Morris or Kerry Carter and get the job done almost as well, if not as well, as they got it done with Alexander.


Which is another reason to draft Shaun. You can draft Maurice Morris in the last round and still have top notch numbers if Shaun was to get injured.

What if Portis gets injured? You're looking at Ladell Betts. Whoopee!
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Postby bagobonez » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:00 pm

KingGhidra wrote:
Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:
bagobonez wrote:The people who hate Shaun Alexander have only ONE argument.
"He only had 1,100 rushing yards in 2002!"


The people who hate Shaun Alexander have this reason. A look back at Alexander's infamous 2002 season.

Week 1 - 36 rush yards, 36 receiving yards, 1 TD = 12 points
Week 2 - 37 rush yards, 46 receiving yards = 7 points
Week 3 - 37 rush yards, 8 receiving yards = 3 points
Week 4 - 139 rush yards, 92 receiving yards, 5 TDs = 52 points
Week 5 - 96 rush yards, 25 receiving yards, 1 TD = 17 points
Week 6 - 30 rush yards, 16 receiving yards = 4 points
Week 7 - 58 rush yards, 38 receiving yards, 2 TD = 20 points
Week 8 - 67 rush yards, 48 receiving yards = 11 points
Week 9 - 42 rush yards, 2 receiving yards, 2 TD = 16 points
Week 10 - 18 rush yards, 23 receiving yards = 3 points
Week 11 - 145 rush yards, 6 receiving yards, 2 TDs = 26 points
Week 12 - 74 rush yards, 77 receiving yards = 14 points
Week 13 - 123 rush yards, 8 receiving yards = 12 points
Week 14 - 127 rush yards, 15 receiving yards, 2 TDs = 25 points
Week 15 - 79 rush yards, 6 receiving yards, 2 TDs = 19 points
Week 16 - 67 rush yards, 14 receiving yards, 1 TD = 14 points

So over the course of this season, Alexander only equalled or bettered Portis' career average of 22.5 ppg 3 TIMES! The chance of another dud season like this is why I'll pass on Alexander, not only with the 4th pick, or the 5th pick, but the 6th pick as well.


2001 isn't as great as it looked on paper either.

I'll ignore weeks 1,2 and 14 when Ricky Watters was the starter.

Week 3: 10 carries, 18 yards, 66 receiving 1TD
Week 4: 31 carries, 176 yards, 15 receiving 2TD
Week 5: 33 carries, 142 yards, 24 receiving 2TD
Week 7: 23 carries, 87 yards, 9 receiving 0TD
Week 8: 13 carries, 60 yards, 42 receiving 1TD
Week 9: 35 carries, 266 yards, 7 receiving 3TD
Week 10: 25 carries, 93 yards, 15 receiving 1TD
Week 11: 13 carries, 43 yards, 62 receiving 1TD
Week 12: 29 carries, 87 yards, 14 receiving 1TD
Week 13: 12 carries, 28 yards, 4 receiving 0TD
Week 15: 28 carries, 96 yards, 36 receiving 2TD
Week 16: 23 carries, 59, 18 receiving 0TD
Week 17: 20 carries, 127, 31 receiving 1TD

2001/2002 is where SA gets his reputation as being inconsistent. He has a lot of games that are poor as far as rushing is concerned, but are covered up by a very high rate of TDs. To his credit, he seemed improved in 2003 when Seattle overall was better.


Ok, in 2001 he had all of 3 games where he didn't score at least 1 TD (when he was the starter). And in the games where he didn't have a ton of rushing yardage, it's because he wasn't getting the carries. Kinda hard to top 100 rushing yards on 13 carries isn't it?

And in 2002, he had all of 4 whole games where he didn't score at least 10 fantasy points. Portis failed to score 10 fantasy points on six occassions last year if you count the ones he didn't play in.

The "Alexander is inconsistent" argument only works against Portis I'm afraid.
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Postby CC » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:00 pm

OK, you sunk to saying Alexander has a better backup as a point as to why you should draft him.
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