Free Bagel wrote:What the hell does it matter who's won a super bowl when you're talking about a 28 year old QB? The best players get paid the most. This guy is so obviously trying to skew the facts towards his arguement by putting unnecessary clauses on them. Kind of like the Randy Moss arguement a while back where Warpigs (no offense Warpigs, just using an example ) decided he was going to compare Moss and Priest and ignore Moss' rushing numbers and Priest's receiving numbers even though there was 600yds of difference in them.
Heck, this guy may as well be saying that Manning is making 1200% of what another QB with similar stats to him made, and just neglect to mention that the other QB played when you could buy a bottle of coke for a nickel.
Are you saying a $14.3 million increase in the signing bonus isn’t a huge difference? And its not like the previous bonus was 20 or 30 years ago, it was in 2002.
Free Bagel wrote:I still don't see why some people think Manning's contract is so outlandish. It's a natural progression for big time free agents to get record setting deals. Favre did it. Then Bledsoe did it. Then Mcnabb did it. Etc.
I honestly don’t think that his contract is outlandish. The point I am trying to get across is that the contract will hurt the team as a whole. If he would have taken a few million less, they would be able to re-sign some of those defensive players or bring some new ones in, or re-sign Edge or Harrison or whatever else.
If he wants his money that’s fine and its his decision. But I think it dramatically hurts the chances of the Colts ever winning a Super Bowl. Heck, look at the past Super Bowl champs and who their QBs were and how much they were making.
I see a recent trend in the Super Bowl champs, players and teams that aren’t me first (well maybe minus Bledsoe in 2001)
2003 – Tom Brady – cap space of less than $3.3 million
2002 – Brad Johnson – cap space of $6.8 million
2001 – Drew Bledsoe – cap space of $6.9 million – Tom Brady – cap space of $314,993
2000 – Tony Banks – cap space of $2.2 million – Trent Dilfer – cap space of $1.0 million
Johnson and Bledsoe have the highest cap values, which for the time were relatively pricey, but, they are nowhere near $17 million plus, or nowhere near 20% of the teams total cap value.
Free Bagel wrote: Now, in 2006 Manning starts earning his real money: $17 mil. If salary cap progression stays the way it has been the last 10 years, the cap will be around $90 mil at that time, although probably higher. But we'll take the low end and say $90 mil. This means that in 2006 Manning will take up approximately 18.5% of the Colts' cap space.
The cap for this year was supposed to only be 78 million or so, but every once in awhile it gets an extra jump (why we saw so many big FA signings this year)
It generally goes up 5% or less a year, so $90 million would actually be on the high end of things and its 17.7 million, not 17 million, so your 18.5% is a bit incorrect. Its still more like 20% which is a ton IMO.
And once again, I don’t think it’s a completely ridiculous sized contract, I just don’t think a team can win a championship when they delegate such a large percent of money to one player.