Jownzin wrote:I'm a Redskins fan til the day I die, but I think Portis might be a "bust" this year. I don't think he's top 3. I think he had a lot of success due to Denver's system, and wit hthe loss of Jansen to their line, I wouldn't draft him in the first round, and probably nopt the 2nd round. I hope I'm wrong....but.....
I'd have LDT in the top spot, then go Green, Priest, Alexander, Deuce and then Portis
If Portis fell to you in the 2nd round, you wouldnt draft him?! You are absolutely nuts my friend, and i hope you are before me in every draft.
well, thats a bit misleading - if you take into consideration 2002 was an injury riddled year for Green. You also have to consider the Packers shift from a pass heavy attack to a run heavy attack over the last couple yrs too. Starting last yr Green was the catalist of this offense - as opposed to Fahvra before that.
The yds have been there the last few yrs too - there wasnt a major improvement last yr:
2001 - 1981 tot yds
2002 - projected out to 1866 in an injury yr
2003 - 2250 tot yds
This is more of a natural progression than an abberation - especially with the focal point of the offense shifting to him.
The TDs are a bit of an abberation - cannot deny. I do think he will come close to matching them this yr though due - once again - to his increased role in the offense.
I can see an argument being made for SA, but his yards dont quite matchup. Cant argue against his TDs though. I do think its interesting how consistant SA turned out to be on a weekly basis after the knock against him early that he was inconsistant.
Jownzin wrote:I'm a Redskins fan til the day I die, but I think Portis might be a "bust" this year. I don't think he's top 3. I think he had a lot of success due to Denver's system, and wit hthe loss of Jansen to their line, I wouldn't draft him in the first round, and probably nopt the 2nd round. I hope I'm wrong....but.....
I'd have LDT in the top spot, then go Green, Priest, Alexander, Deuce and then Portis
If Portis fell to you in the 2nd round, you wouldnt draft him?! You are absolutely nuts my friend, and i hope you are before me in every draft.
Depends how many teams are in the league. I still think he might be a bust. Why are you sold on him? Because he was good last year in Denver and because every publication has him listed high?
He's looked a bit subpar in camp, and wasn't "spectacular" in the game against Denver. Sure he'll be good, but he's running behind a weaker O-line in Washington. That HAS to be a factor to consider.
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:well, thats a bit misleading - if you take into consideration 2002 was an injury riddled year for Green. You also have to consider the Packers shift from a pass heavy attack to a run heavy attack over the last couple yrs too. Starting last yr Green was the catalist of this offense - as opposed to Fahvra before that.
The yds have been there the last few yrs too - there wasnt a major improvement last yr: 2001 - 1981 tot yds 2002 - projected out to 1866 in an injury yr 2003 - 2250 tot yds
This is more of a natural progression than an abberation - especially with the focal point of the offense shifting to him.
The TDs are a bit of an abberation - cannot deny. I do think he will come close to matching them this yr though due - once again - to his increased role in the offense.
I can see an argument being made for SA, but his yards dont quite matchup. Cant argue against his TDs though. I do think its interesting how consistant SA turned out to be on a weekly basis after the knock against him early that he was inconsistant.
I'm still not sold CB.
Before last year Green averaged 4.4 yds/carry and 11 TDs. This shot up to 5.3 and 20 TD. He is 27 and that was his 4th year as the main man in GB so it seems a little late for a career year. I've got to believe that something changed in the system.
Davenport averaged 5.5 and Fisher 5.0 last year too - so they have a terrific O-line. He should continue to get the yards but 355 carries was a career high by a long margin. He has been susceptible to injury before. I say that he gets good yards but that last year's numbers are a ceiling for him.
As far as the TDs go, I see a good decrease for him. Green stole a lot of Franks' TD last year. I believe that defences will key on Green a lot more this year, especially in the red zone where he had 13 TDs last year, and the Pack will go back to Franks who is so reliable inside the 10.
In all, my conclusion is that Green is a stud but that last year was a career year. The yards may be there but TDs will be down and he is always a risk to get banged up - I know that everybody is a risk to get injured but the Pack is going to ride Green to drive their offence and he has shown in 3 of the past 4 years that he cannot handle that much work.
So I think that it is a stretch to say that he is top 3 for sure. I have noticed that the Green bandwagon has been picking up steam recently too (but it's still behind the Portis bandwagon).
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Cornbread Maxwell wrote:well, thats a bit misleading - if you take into consideration 2002 was an injury riddled year for Green. You also have to consider the Packers shift from a pass heavy attack to a run heavy attack over the last couple yrs too. Starting last yr Green was the catalist of this offense - as opposed to Fahvra before that.
The yds have been there the last few yrs too - there wasnt a major improvement last yr: 2001 - 1981 tot yds 2002 - projected out to 1866 in an injury yr 2003 - 2250 tot yds
This is more of a natural progression than an abberation - especially with the focal point of the offense shifting to him.
The TDs are a bit of an abberation - cannot deny. I do think he will come close to matching them this yr though due - once again - to his increased role in the offense.
I can see an argument being made for SA, but his yards dont quite matchup. Cant argue against his TDs though. I do think its interesting how consistant SA turned out to be on a weekly basis after the knock against him early that he was inconsistant.
I'm still not sold CB.
Before last year Green averaged 4.4 yds/carry and 11 TDs. This shot up to 5.3 and 20 TD. He is 27 and that was his 4th year as the main man in GB so it seems a little late for a career year. I've got to believe that something changed in the system.
Davenport averaged 5.5 and Fisher 5.0 last year too - so they have a terrific O-line. He should continue to get the yards but 355 carries was a career high by a long margin. He has been susceptible to injury before. I say that he gets good yards but that last year's numbers are a ceiling for him.
As far as the TDs go, I see a good decrease for him. Green stole a lot of Franks' TD last year. I believe that defences will key on Green a lot more this year, especially in the red zone where he had 13 TDs last year, and the Pack will go back to Franks who is so reliable inside the 10.
In all, my conclusion is that Green is a stud but that last year was a career year. The yards may be there but TDs will be down and he is always a risk to get banged up - I know that everybody is a risk to get injured but the Pack is going to ride Green to drive their offence and he has shown in 3 of the past 4 years that he cannot handle that much work.
So I think that it is a stretch to say that he is top 3 for sure. I have noticed that the Green bandwagon has been picking up steam recently too (but it's still behind the Portis bandwagon).
Oh no, it's happening again. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
You can make a case why anyone is a risk in the top 5 and you can make it sound good. Lets just stop debating these and give our rankings because it's been done to death. Holmes is as risky as Green is as risky as LT2 etc etc.
On to KG's money top 5 rankings.
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