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Postby CC » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:41 am

34=Sweetness wrote:What about when Michigan crushed Washington States face in the Rose Bowl? Or when Wisconsin was tearing up Stanford? Big 10 owns the Pac10. Once again, there is one good team in the Pac10, while Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin should be good again.


Iowa too.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:57 am

Ive said this before and I wont go into detail - but its really tough to label how good a QB Harrington is by looking at his first 2 years in the league.

The reason for my post however is to say I think Torry Holt is the #2 WR in fantasy! It wasnt just his TD totals that rated him that high, but rather his yards. Holt led the league in passes thrown to him, and that trend should only continue. He led all WRs with total yds, and if you exclude Moss, he beat the next closest WR by over 300 yds. Thats a lot guys. Dont sell Holt short - he will be a monster this yr too.
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Postby 34=Sweetness » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:59 am

What if he regresses back? I had him 2002 and it wasn't pretty. Like 1200 yards (thats not shabby) and 4 TDs (that was shabby). He pretty much averages 1300 yards and 7 TDs a year, and with the O line in STL hurting I'm not sure how often Bulger will be able to hit Holt without throwing an interception or getting sacked. He needs time to get the ball out, and when hes hurried he makes lots of mistakes.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:10 pm

34=Sweetness wrote:What if he regresses back? I had him 2002 and it wasn't pretty. Like 1200 yards (thats not shabby) and 4 TDs (that was shabby). He pretty much averages 1300 yards and 7 TDs a year, and with the O line in STL hurting I'm not sure how often Bulger will be able to hit Holt without throwing an interception or getting sacked. He needs time to get the ball out, and when hes hurried he makes lots of mistakes.


great point about their Oline - definitely something to be concerned with. As for regressing, I dont see that happening - he clearly became the main downfield threat in STL last yr, and I cant stress enough the significance of the passes thrown to stat. That alone tells me Bulger is looking for Holt the vast majority of the time when he goes back to pass. TDs are a flukey stat, but passes thrown to isnt. If given enough opportunities to produce, a WR will get good numbers (Boldin). Harrison is slipping due to Manning going to him less than in yrs past.

The Oline is a concern, but I still have Holt as my #2.
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Postby Bears_Fan » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:44 pm

This is not a Joey Harrington post center and the fact that such threads do not exist should be telling.
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Postby theBigHouse » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:54 pm

34=Sweetness wrote:What about when Michigan crushed Washington States face in the Rose Bowl? Or when Wisconsin was tearing up Stanford? Big 10 owns the Pac10. Once again, there is one good team in the Pac10, while Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin should be good again.


having recently graduated from Michigan, I'm certainly biased towards BigTen ball... but to talk BigTen football and to not include Iowa.. well that's just wrong. Not to mention Purdue and Minnesota....
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Postby theBigHouse » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:55 pm

34=Sweetness wrote:What about when Michigan crushed Washington States face in the Rose Bowl? Or when Wisconsin was tearing up Stanford? Big 10 owns the Pac10. Once again, there is one good team in the Pac10, while Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin should be good again.


having recently graduated from Michigan, I'm certainly biased towards BigTen ball... but to talk BigTen football and to not include Iowa.. well that's just wrong. Not to mention Purdue and Minnesota....
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Postby CC » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:00 pm

Don't worry I have you covered on Iowa. I hate Kyle Orton but Purdue should be good this year, and same with Minnesota.
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Postby theBigHouse » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:01 pm

Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:
34=Sweetness wrote:What about when Michigan crushed Washington States face in the Rose Bowl? Or when Wisconsin was tearing up Stanford? Big 10 owns the Pac10. Once again, there is one good team in the Pac10, while Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin should be good again.


Iowa too.


doh! i missed that post...


as for WRs

Moss
Harrison

Owens
Holt
Ward

C Johnson
Coles
S Moss

followed by Mason, Smith, Smith, DJack, Moulds, etc...
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Postby MadScott » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:49 pm

Most QBs that are in the WCO take about 3 years to digest it. This therefore should be Joey's make or break year. The trouble up there is, if he doesn't get it, McMahon has proven that he won't be much more than a perennial backup so it's back to the drawing board.

And as for Pac-10 v. Big 10 (11), you may have numbers but our 1 can whip any of your all's 11 anytime! :-o
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