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Postby BigMusky » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:49 pm

DL = RB
DB's = WR
LB's = QB's

So if you are drafting multiple IDP positions, you should probably not take Ray Lewis as your number one guy. It would be like taking Peyton Manning with the first overall pick.

An article on CNNSI went into more detail about this and there have been so many question on IDP's already I thought it was worth posting. Sorry if it already has been.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/fantasy/08/11/idp.insight/index.html
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Postby TheHeat24 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:00 pm

Are you kidding me, Ray Lewis is the priest holmes of idp... only one man came even close to him last year in fantasy points and that was donnie edwards... And according to that logic if LB's= Qb's then you should load up on them... Qb's score more then Rb's on a consistent basis... defensive lineman are the worst to pick... they are feast or famine, youeither get a sack or nothing... they are usually only good as bye week fillers... As a man with experience in IDP leagues the Lb's are the most consistent performers followed by the big name safeties...
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Postby BigMusky » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:13 pm

The assumption (that I should have stated and apologize) is that you start


2 DL
3 DB
3 LB

lots of LB's put up similar points, but DL fall off very quickly. That is why they are more valuable. Peyton Manning scored way more points then Holmes last year, but not many people would suggest you take Manning over Holmes. If you can play any position you want then of course you play LB's.
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Postby VHawk15 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:35 pm

Actually, the fairer comparison (at least in leagues with standard scoring for IDP's) is:

LB=RB
WR=DB
QB=DL

BigMusky wrote:Peyton Manning scored way more points then Holmes last year


What are you talking about? Tell me a scoring system in which this is the case.
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Postby roninmedia » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:27 pm

VHawk15 wrote:Actually, the fairer comparison (at least in leagues with standard scoring for IDP's) is:

LB=RB
WR=DB
QB=DL

BigMusky wrote:Peyton Manning scored way more points then Holmes last year


What are you talking about? Tell me a scoring system in which this is the case.


10 yards passing/rushing/recieving per pt.
1 pt per completion
1 pt per attempt.
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Postby Halcyon » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:35 pm

I think the point is that there are a lot of linebackers that put up big points, but only a few DL. So DL are like running backs in that it's advantageous to pick up a good one early, because there aren't as many.

The problem with this is that it's from their scoring system in their leagues. If you play in Yahoo, you know that DL and LB are combined into DL, so you almost always want to pick a linebacker. But also, their scoring system is unbalanced. Under that system, you basically just pick the guys with the most tackles.

A more fair system (and also the default yahoo one) has tackles worth .5 points, so that sack artists and the like are worthwhile. If you use something like that, DL are a lot better, and there are more of them.
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Postby hawksfan896 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:19 pm

God I hate IDPs. We've used them in my main league every year and it really burns my ass. We use 3, I can't even imagine using 5 or more. I would probably break my TV. We just use straight up 3 defensive players, so it's always LBs with us. If you can count on 6-10 tackles a game, take it over the possibility of a couple of sacks and 2-3 tackles (most DLs) or possibly a pick and a TD w/ a DB. It sounds like none of you have too much of a problem with them, but if you think your league overvalues defensive players I suggest using this style:

.5/tackle
2/sack,ff,fr,int

That way you don't have defensive guys going for like 20 like you do with the point per tackle system, because it's pretty much a crapshoot every week anyhow, and I'd rather lose to a kicker than a defensive player.
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Postby VHawk15 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:23 pm

roninmedia wrote:
VHawk15 wrote:Actually, the fairer comparison (at least in leagues with standard scoring for IDP's) is:

LB=RB
WR=DB
QB=DL

BigMusky wrote:Peyton Manning scored way more points then Holmes last year


What are you talking about? Tell me a scoring system in which this is the case.


10 yards passing/rushing/recieving per pt.
1 pt per completion
1 pt per attempt.


Heh, sorry I didn't clarify. I meant a scoring system that's logical and one that 1% of fantasy football leagues use. If QB's got a point for 10 yards passing, a point for completion, and a point for passing attempts, all the top 12 QB's would be more valuable than Priest.
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Postby hawksfan896 » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:26 pm

VHawk15 wrote:
roninmedia wrote:
VHawk15 wrote:Actually, the fairer comparison (at least in leagues with standard scoring for IDP's) is:

LB=RB
WR=DB
QB=DL

BigMusky wrote:Peyton Manning scored way more points then Holmes last year


What are you talking about? Tell me a scoring system in which this is the case.


10 yards passing/rushing/recieving per pt.
1 pt per completion
1 pt per attempt.


Heh, sorry I didn't clarify. I meant a scoring system that's logical and one that 1% of fantasy football leagues use. If QB's got a point for 10 yards passing, a point for completion, and a point for passing attempts, all the top 12 QB's would be more valuable than Priest.


Was just thinking that same thing...1.5 points per passing attempt with an average QB? Rex Grossman would be more valuable than Priest.
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Postby BigMusky » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:41 am

Completions (.2)
Passing Yards (50 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Rushing Yards (20 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (.25)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)


Holmes score 286 and Manning 338
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