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Postby Wolfpig » Mon May 05, 2003 5:07 pm

Excellent points all around. Allow me, if I might to perhaps summarize and capsulize to answer your question effectively.

The most important aspect of your question is the simplest: how does your league score players? In some leagues, QBs score so wildly that they become worth more than their weight in gold. Most established leagues with good Commishes have worked out scoring systems that keep all players pretty even keel. If that is the case, then it leads me to my next point...

If the scoring system is evenly based, then without question, the RB position is the most important. As said eloquently by several others, cornering the market on QBs and WRs is rather impossible. Cornering the market on reliable RBs is not. In a total non-keeper league with 10 teams, it is a fascinatingly effective tactic to draft a RB with your first three picks. They are, as someone else alluded to, the easiest to trade and the hardest to acquire. In other words, when you have them, everyone else wants them, and when you don't have them, you get raked over the coals to get one.

Finally, I think it is important to work out average scores for each position. One tactic that is also effective is to take RBs with your first three picks, and if Jeremy Shockey or Tony Gonzalez is still hanging around, take one of them. Having a TE like that gives you such an advantage over other teams, but reaching too high to take one will eventually burn you. It's a tricky wire to walk upon, and finding the right balance is not particularly easy.

It is important to note that finding a QB or a WR who can at least be competitive with the top guys in the league is a heck of a lot easier than finding a RB who can be competitive with the top guys. For example, the scoring difference between RB LaDanian Tomlinson and RB Michael Pittman will be enormous. The scoring difference between QB Rich Gannon and QB Tommy Maddox won't be as great. That's the best I can put it. Hope this all helps!

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Postby ou812tim » Tue May 06, 2003 6:41 am

i think i will be using yohoo(free) so is this a rb or qb-bc, and what is this rbbc/qbbc?

also would you weight the kicker, te and d for importance

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Postby ScreamingWeasel » Tue May 06, 2003 8:42 am

awwchrist wrote:You can get away with a mediocre QB.

Productive WRs can be had in FA throughout the year. There's ALWAYS a few every year that are under radar until they break out.

TE's dont get enough reps to warrant a high draft pick. I don't care if Shockey is GOD, im not drafting him before the 4th rd.

But you can't fake mediocre RB play. They are the foundation of a true winning team.


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Postby converge241 » Tue May 06, 2003 12:13 pm

RBs hands down

every once in a while youll get some qb heavy scoring system but even if you do you only play one of those and usually always 2 (or 3) running backs who get their rudhing production plus the recieving production

they arguably wear down the most too so they are in demand and you want to have reserves for yourself or as trade to some unlucky GM whose star runner went down who didnt stockpile backups as wisely

I always liek having a plethora of rbs and slack off on wr a littel cme draft time cme week 4-6 theres always a team that will trade away a better wr for some RB help
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Postby kashikis » Tue May 06, 2003 1:23 pm

ou812tim wrote:i think i will be using yohoo(free) so is this a rb or qb-bc, and what is this rbbc/qbbc?

also would you weight the kicker, te and d for importance

thank you you guys know your s**t


first off RBBC= running back by committee -i.e. Hearst & Barlow
QBBC= quaterback by committee -not common but look at the Skins

as for the weight on those other cats, once again it all depends on your scoring. K is important but you can snag a good one in the late rounds so I put that last. But i would say beyond the top 3-4 TEs (shockey, gonzo, heaps) defense would rank tops here because most leagues give bonuses for pts against or yds against and a good defense could rack up major points. There will always be questions going into the year about defenses. Only a few are locks for good seasons to me, TB, PHI, PIT, MIA. And some borderline defenses CAR and such. So I say try and get a top player at one of those positions (TE, DEF) since they are so limited. once you get passed the top 5 in each it turns into a crap shoot.
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Postby Cowman » Thu May 08, 2003 4:34 pm

My two cents worth (with inflation)...

RB's are important mostly for lots of reasons. The biggest one I think is their scarcity, I think. 1000 yrd rushers, a healthy season and 10 td's a year is pretty hard to do. Plus there seems to be a bit more stability in the position. A good runner is good on almost any team, for example Ricky Williams was a 1000 yrd rusher with NO and with Miami. Plus, even west coast teams runners get about 20 carries a game so every team uses them in as large perentage of their offense.

Running backs also tend to stay with one team or one system for their whole productive lifetimes, so it's easier to predict what might happen.

Qb's and Wr' s are a lot harder to predict because an up season followed by a down season (or vise virsa) is more common. For example, Farve haad a relative down season but Green still had an excellent season. Rich Gannon was a backup for almost ten years before he was in the right system for him.

On the other hand, if your league treats Qb's and Rb's by the same measure, a Qb will put up better stats, it may just be harder to predict who the second tier players will be from the start of the season due to coaching or philosophy changes.

Wr's are even harder to predict. Outside of the top group which consists of three or four Wr's, the "better than average group" is even harder to predict. In my two leagues, Plexico Buress wasn't even drafted, but he emerged after four games to be an excellent Wr. Robinson in Seattle was a surprise and a gamble for lots of people. It's hard to predict, and therefore, busts are easier to find.

Te's, K's and D's have so much turnover season to season that after the top three or four there just doesn't seem to be much difference. Besides, D's and Te's can be picked up and used game to game by matchup as much as by keeping one for the entire year. Plus, these positions are almost totally dependent on other factors anyway that situation from game to game can be different. There seems to be more stability on the offensive side then anywhere else on a team. A running team will run until the last minute and a passing team will pass from the first play, but great defenses will give up yardage and points to great offenses sometimes anyway.

Just a thought, hope I didn't ramble too much.
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Postby Homeless » Thu May 08, 2003 5:41 pm

Great post Cowman ! ;-D
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