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Postby hawksfan896 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:46 pm

If you guys like St. Louis, I would suggest taking them on the moneyline (if websites offer it). Very good pick at +115. For those of you who may not know, moneyline is betting without the spread. It pays better for dogs/worse for favs. A + before the number means you win that much for every 100 bucks. Like the Rams at +115 means if you bet 100 bucks, no spread, and won, you'd win 115. Obviously, a - means the opposite. A team that's -125 means you'd have to bet 125 to win 100. This is a good system to take away the house edge, when you figure a spread game is automatically -110 either way. When the Bucs beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl, the casinos actually lost money on the game because many bettors took TB on the moneyline. Casinos set the spreads not necessarily on how they think the game will turn out, but to get people to bet 50/50 either way, so with the automatic -110 odds, they keep 10% or so of all money bet regardless. Hope that helps some of you, and good luck in your wagering.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:18 am

That's some great advice hawksfan. A lot of people here really like the Rams to take out the Falcons and some like the game straight up.

If you bet $10 with the 2 1/2 points and the Rams win straight up you would get your $10 back and get $8.50 or $9.00 on top of that (depends on how much juice your book takes -110 would give you $9, and -115 would give you $8.50).

If you bet $10 on the moneyline you would get your $10 back and then you would get $11.50 (if the game is +115, at my book it is +120 now, which would give you back $12).

As you can see +115 or +120 is not much. The best moneyline out there right now is Carolina +240 to beat the Chief straight up. The Chiefs are 6 1/2 point favourites right now. If you want to bet on the Panthers and you don't want the 6 1/2 points because you think the Panthers will win straight up you can get +240 - this means that you win $24 (plus your $10 bet back) on a $10 bet.

A word of advice on moneyline bets. Watch out for what kind of numbers you give up. The St. Louis game is a good example because 2 1/2 points is a good number to give up. Teams usually win by 3 or more points. If the game goes into overtime 2 1/2 points are not going to do you much good. In NFL wagering 3, 6 and 7 are magic numbers.
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Postby Dub-Dub » Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:16 am

Lots of games I like this week... maybe not enough to bet on, but some I am leaning toward (that haven't been mentioned) - Houston... okay the rest have been mentioned, Denver, GD, KC, Washington, Seattle, StLouis.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:55 am

S. Davis out - expect movement on the Denver/Carolina line.

edit: it has already gone up to 3 1/2
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Postby tman570 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:46 pm

bgbootha wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:
S2 wrote:Anyone think the Over is good for the MINN/PHIL game? I'm not betting right now, but just curious

I expect it to be 55 or higher.


49 1/2 is a huge over. That is almost 2 TD per quarter. They're not playing indoors in Minny but outside in Philly - Philly also has a pretty good D. So if anything, I would go for the under on that one.


i don't think i am going near that one. But i would agree that if i did i would lean toward under. 49.5 is just too dman big to go over.


I really like the under in this game. With all the hype it will probbably end up going under.
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