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Postby CC » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:13 pm

To anyone who thinks Shaun Alexander is better than Jamal Lewis (in real-life), put the crackpipe down. They have similarly skilled offensive lines, yet J-Lew runs for 2000 yards and 5 ypc while Alexander runs for 1400 yards and 4.2 ypc.
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Postby shockandawe_ffc » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:13 pm

I stopped counting the posts on Alexander's merits as a running back but can tell you that it's now exceeded the Chris BRown is he- going- to- be- a- stud- or a- dud pre-draft discussion.

The discussion is very interesting though- what's more valuable- the system itself or the player? You don't have to contain the discussion to just running backs as it applies to other skilled positions as well.

Aikman- just a good "system" QB? Montana? Marino? Kelly? did Tarkenton become a hall of fame QB because of the system, or because he's Tarkenton? what system was Marino running in Miami? or how about receivers, Cris Carter? Rice? Largent? Irving?
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Postby jumpman8828 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:22 pm

JtotheF wrote:So ask yourself, how many "great" RB's have there truly been in the history of the game? Ten? More? Less? And who are they? Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Walter Payton? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allend? Earl Cambell?


Sooner or later I think Tomlinson will have to join that group if he keeps up what he's doing now.
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Postby bagobonez » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:47 pm

jumpman8828 wrote:
JtotheF wrote:So ask yourself, how many "great" RB's have there truly been in the history of the game? Ten? More? Less? And who are they? Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Walter Payton? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allend? Earl Cambell?


Sooner or later I think Tomlinson will have to join that group if he keeps up what he's doing now.


Very true. Question is, can he do it? Edgerrin James and Terrell Davis looked to be well on their way until injuries set in. But at the moment, I think Tomlinson has the best chance of breaking Emmitt's rushing record among active NFL running backs. Just need to see him do it for another decade.
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Postby 34=Sweetness » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:29 pm

bagobonez wrote:
jumpman8828 wrote:
JtotheF wrote:So ask yourself, how many "great" RB's have there truly been in the history of the game? Ten? More? Less? And who are they? Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Walter Payton? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allend? Earl Cambell?


Sooner or later I think Tomlinson will have to join that group if he keeps up what he's doing now.


Very true. Question is, can he do it? Edgerrin James and Terrell Davis looked to be well on their way until injuries set in. But at the moment, I think Tomlinson has the best chance of breaking Emmitt's rushing record among active NFL running backs. Just need to see him do it for another decade.
Tomlinson has a shot if SD gets an O-Line. But, if they stay crappy he probably won't beat it.
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Postby no1cowboysfan » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:34 am

34=Sweetness wrote:
bagobonez wrote:
jumpman8828 wrote:
JtotheF wrote:So ask yourself, how many "great" RB's have there truly been in the history of the game? Ten? More? Less? And who are they? Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Walter Payton? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allend? Earl Cambell?


Sooner or later I think Tomlinson will have to join that group if he keeps up what he's doing now.


Very true. Question is, can he do it? Edgerrin James and Terrell Davis looked to be well on their way until injuries set in. But at the moment, I think Tomlinson has the best chance of breaking Emmitt's rushing record among active NFL running backs. Just need to see him do it for another decade.
Tomlinson has a shot if SD gets an O-Line. But, if they stay crappy he probably won't beat it.


hey... remember how he DID rush for 1600 + last year with arguably the leagues worst o-line? Oh yeah...

Tomlinson, like Sanders (d@mn... i know the 2 get compared a lot, but they are pretty alike), both can work well without good o-lines. remember detroit?
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Postby 34=Sweetness » Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:33 am

But, as he gets older he will need a better O-Line as his talent starts to diminish. Id say hes more like Walter Payton then Sanders, Sanders was a east-west cutback runner with a lot of speed on a terrible team, while Payton ran more inside and was also good at catching passes and a great blocker, which LT is also good at. LT2 can't do it all alone though, and if they would build an o-line around him he could put a real nice chase at the rushing record.
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Postby nebbie2004 » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:03 pm

haha, the guy got almost a 100 replies with his messed up post (wont elaborate)
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Postby no1cowboysfan » Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:15 pm

34=Sweetness wrote:But, as he gets older he will need a better O-Line as his talent starts to diminish. Id say hes more like Walter Payton then Sanders, Sanders was a east-west cutback runner with a lot of speed on a terrible team, while Payton ran more inside and was also good at catching passes and a great blocker, which LT is also good at. LT2 can't do it all alone though, and if they would build an o-line around him he could put a real nice chase at the rushing record.


a valid point... but SD has a while to build that O-line. LT may be a bit overworked, but he's still got plenty of years left in him.
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Postby 34=Sweetness » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:28 am

He has to stay healthy too. Payton missed one game and Im not sure how many Sanders or Smith missed. But if he can be consistently this good for about 10 years and not get hurt, he has a shot.
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