ForeverBlue wrote:11 Al-Qaida suspects "disappeared"? Should I cry? I wish more would vanish.
There were 12 people I personally knew that "disappeared" in the Twin Towers on 9/11.
Maybe the Human Rights Watch should put some pressure on those maniacs that are beheading hostages inside Iraq.
The United States has always been an advocate for human rights. The Human Rights Watch should visit the Sudan, or China or someplace else.
I had to chime in here. They do visit those places. The conditions there are abysmal. What's your point?
That somehow gives us, arguably the wealthiest, one of the largest, and definitely the most powerful and influential nation of all time the right to drop to their level? We're supposed to be above that. *WE* set the example. It's easy to hate a nation that tortures prisoners, it's hard to hate one that treats them humanely. The world is one big average equation, and we are--- correction, WERE--- at one time one of the highest numbers on that equation in terms of human rights and humane treatment of prisoners. We still are relatively high, but if we slide, we pull the whole average down, get it?
This is not the time of barbarism. This is the time of enlightened understanding. There will always --- always --- be people blowing up buildings. No doubt in my mind. Deal with it. I most certainly, intensely disagree (and thank god the Supreme Court is backing this opinion up) with the Bush Administrations absurd notion that they can somehow lock up a US citizen with no access to anyone, including an attorney, and hold them indefinitely w/o filing charges.
"Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin
Freedom isn't free. It's a constant struggle to keep the layer upon layer of government encroachment upon our civil liberties at bay. First it's "foreign terrorists" who get tortured, then who's next? That's right. Do the math. Human rights are HUMAN rights. Once you start compromising those rights on some humans, it's only a matter of time before they start being compromised on all humans.
You want to live in a country where citizens can be indefinitely held with no charges or access to lawyers? You want to live in a country where someone labeled a "terrorist" can be tortured or held in communicado? Fine. You move to China.
Not me. Not in this country. This far, NO FARTHER.