???for intelligent Denver fans

[awwchrist]

Pfffth...I took my lumps and I NEVER EVER whined. Patience is a badge of honor. And what makes me come across as bitter?

My only regret is that now that we are finally coming around (or at least it LOOKS like we are) we're not in the AFC west anymore.

Don't dismiss my galantry with homerism. I call it like I see it.

And as I see it, Denver is the worst team in the AFC West.

By the way Kal, you wanna smack me a bit? It would be fair to reveal your team so I can at least fire back.

[hayesb26]

denver has fans???

haha but yes aww, denver is going to be the worst team in the west again this year, although i do think all 4 teams will be at least .500

[Orange and Blue]

talking trash about the priveledge of being dismissed from the toughest division in the NFL

you obviously haven't look at the AFC East lately.

I have, and I have found it wanting. Miami might stack up against Oakland, but the Bills are nowhere NEAR the level of the Chiefs, the Chargers would hand the the Jets their asses on a silver platter, and even the "lowly" Broncos could pound on the Patsies.

For your information, Awww and Hayes, SAN DIEGO is the worst team in the AFC west. They responded to their league-worst pass defense by replacing their entire secondary with a unit greener than a seasick Gumby. LT might be comparable to Portis, runningback wise, but their only threatening WR is Boston (who has SERIOUS problems, which can definitely hamper on-field production), while Denver has Smith, McCaffrey, Sharpe, and Lelie. Plus we have a better run defense. They could still kill the AFC east, except possibly Miami, though.

[awwchrist]

Miami might stack up against Oakland, but the Bills are nowhere NEAR the level of the Chiefs, the Chargers would hand the the Jets their asses on a silver platter, and even the "lowly" Broncos could pound on the Patsies.

I don't think I agree with one assessment at all. What Buffalo lacks in O, the Chiefs give up in D. Then you forget how the Pats are still tougher than nails, only to dismiss them with a whim? Hell you ONLY beat them by 8 pts last year..hardly what i would call a pounding. And then to turn around and say the Chargers have the leagues worst pass defense only then to say they'd "hand the Jets their asses on a silver platter"?? The same Jets your team lost to last year in week 14? And it was the Jets in the AFC playoffs right? Not San Diego. And surely not your Broncos.

[swervedriver]

And now, I'm going to quote "orange and blue", in a matter not unlike how the cops quoted the Rev. Jim Jones' babbling while his followers were forced to drink arsenic laced Kool Aid:

"I have, and I have found it wanting. Miami might stack up against Oakland, but the Bills are nowhere NEAR the level of the Chiefs, the Chargers would hand the the Jets their asses on a silver platter, and even the "lowly" Broncos could pound on the Patsies.

For your information, Awww and Hayes, SAN DIEGO is the worst team in the AFC west....They could still kill the AFC east, except possibly Miami, though."

This is the same Chargers team that got walloped by the Jets IN SAN DIEGO last year, right? And the Broncos team that you're referencing is the one that the Jets beat last year, as I recall. And so, by your reckoning, the Jets and the entire AFC East (with the exception of the perennially overrated Dolphins) is "found wanting"...

And so, based on the irrefutable evidence of 3 nationally televised games of the preseason, the AFC West if far, far better than the AFC East. A tad hasty, don't you think? Perhaps you should restrain yourself and wait until, oh, maybe Week 1 is over before you should declare AFC West the mightiest division in the league.

I sort of got a morbid laugh out of the fact that you started one point with "For your information...". Like your myopic commentary is "informative". I wonder if Goebbles started his misinformation newsletters to the National Socialists in the same fashion: "For your information, Germany has just successfully invaded North America and the Fuhrer is now dancing the Hokey Pokey inside what was the US Congress."

As Dean Wormer said in Animal House: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

[yoda83]

1.Denver
2.Oakland
3.Kansas City
4.San Diego

[Orange and Blue]

Ah, another Jets fan living in the shadow of last year. I'll be suprised if I ever find one who isn't.

Here's a fact for you- the year before the Ravens, Rams, and Patriots won the superbowl, they were all so awful that in the year of their run, they didn't appear in a single Monday Night Football game. Not one. So that's how much last year means.

For those who were unaware, there's this little thing called "The offseason" that separates one year from the next. That's that little period of time when all the teams change. Who cares about last year at all. I certainly don't. I'm more worried about this one.

So before you start calling me incoherent and inane, I'd tell you to get your heads out of something that sounds remarkably like pass.

That's right, I just told you to get your heads out of the past. Take a look at your "mighty" Jets. What was the Jets' SINGLE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE last year? It wasn't up-and-comer Pennington. It was the battle for field position. Simply put, the Jets won it. Every time. But guess what? Now those same Jets are missing John Hall and Chad Morton. Goodbye field position. Here's to losing our strongest weapon and putting all our hopes in the hands of our sophomore quarterback. Oh, wait, here's to putting all of our hopes in the hands of our sophomore quarterback who just lost his best reciever. But look at the bright side, at least we got Curtis Conway (a Chargers reject) and Chester McGlockton (A Broncos reject).

Yes, the Chargers have a bad secondary, but they have LaDainian Tomlinson and they can inflict every yard they lose back on the jets twofold.

Hey, Swerve, let me use a bit of your logic back on you-
According to your "logic", our best team (Oakland) is better than your best team (NY), because they killed you in the playoffs last year and got to the superbowl. Our worst team (KC) is better than your worst team (Buffalo), because they beat them, too. Our second best, the Broncos are better than your Patriots, because they beat them as well. I don't remember anything about the Chargers and Dolphins, but it's irrelevant. Our first, second, and fourth team are better than yours, so we're a tougher division. Of course, offseason moves, staff changes, age, and health both play no part in those numbers.

Calling the Dolphins overrated is foolishness. They had the leading sack man, leading rusher, an insane interception total, and only improved on their defense, without losing any key elements from last year. Can the Jets say that they improved every aspect of their game without losing any key elements? Well, yes, they can, and it would make just about as much sense as everything else you've said thus far.

Awwchrist, that was absolutely stupid pointing out that the Jets made the playoffs and the Chargers/Broncos didn't. EVERY division sends someone to the playoffs. The West sent the Raiders, and the East sent the Jets. So yes, the Jets made the playoffs while the Broncos didn't, just like the Raiders made the playoffs while Miami didn't. You know what that means? Nothing. Do you think the Browns are better than every team in the east and west other than the Jets and Raiders, just because they made the playoffs? Because I think they lucked out with an easy schedule (two games a year against Cincy? Give me a break!) Of course, according to your reasoning, the Browns are better than the Dolphins, and we're still no closer to deciding which is a better division, since both the East and the West sent one team to the playoffs.

Swerve, "for your information", THAT is how you go about making someone look stupid. Not pretending that last year is this year.

To quote "King of the Hill"

Just when I think you can't get any stupider... you just keep talking.

[awwchrist]

It's stupid? Why, I just illustrated your team couldnt take the wild card spots.

Call me stupid then.


Brilliant to argue the Jets special teams are lost without Morton. It takes another 10 guys to block downfield, which in case you didn't know, is as much of a reason for Jets field position as Morton was.

But keep on keepin on bubba.

THAT is how you go about making someone look stupid. Not pretending that last year is this year.

Coming from a man who can't figure out the 2002/2003 schedule..

I APPLAUDE YOU.